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« on: December 17, 2005, 09:08:48 PM »

TC -
I am obviously a new poster on this board, but not a newcomer to the world of harness racing. On two different occasions, on this board, you have suggested that the only way a horse can win at The Big M on the front was to "bottom out the field." Can you describe what you mean?  I ask because I see quite a few horses winning on the front that do not "bottom out the field" by my definition.
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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2005, 10:45:26 PM »

Bottom out the field means to win by a large amount.Like by 10 or 12 lengths or more.Hope that helps!
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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2005, 02:03:45 AM »

Bottom out is to scoot away from the competition, building an insurmountable lead, while the chasers and closers try in futile fashion to make up ground.  Case in point last night, if John Drew sensed all the longshots right behind him, Gingras should have stepped on the gas and put more distance between himself and the true competition.  Trying to loaf on the lead almost never wins at the Big M as quality stock can usually kick home in speedy fashion as needed.  Not many at the Big m come home fast last quarters that were on the point.  TC
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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2005, 02:11:38 AM »

 Shut-up about that horse already before I come over to the track and beat you with a mop. Cheesy
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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2005, 02:14:37 AM »

Superman, you should get keyboard colic !  Now, take your cape off and wash the damn thing - it smells like cat pee and bourbon.  TC
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« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2005, 08:54:22 AM »

Bottom out is to scoot away from the competition, building an insurmountable lead, while the chasers and closers try in futile fashion to make up ground.  Case in point last night, if John Drew sensed all the longshots right behind him, Gingras should have stepped on the gas and put more distance between himself and the true competition.  Trying to loaf on the lead almost never wins at the Big M as quality stock can usually kick home in speedy fashion as needed.  Not many at the Big m come home fast last quarters that were on the point.  TC

TC,

I do like that tactic.
But I don't think John Drew had enough in the old tank to do it Friday.
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« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2005, 09:56:21 AM »

Burton, agreed.  Of course, if we listen to other OPINIONS, he was on his hands and knees to hold 4th - ?  I think he paced home evenly (:28 last Q) and was outkicked to the wire, as is the custom when horses go too slow at the Big M.  Slow middle quarters are the habit on the WEG circuit - not in E. Rutherford.  The bootom out is a generalization anyway.  TC
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« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2005, 11:10:15 AM »

Thanks TC. I just wanted to make sure I understood what you meant.

This past week at the Big M about 15 horses won on the front end. Out of those winners 1 horse failed trying to bottom out the field and 2 won by bottoming out the field. The two that won were definitely horses that were in shape so I am not sure if they simply drew away from a weaker field or if bottoming the field was the tactic they tried to use to win.   
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« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2005, 05:44:30 PM »

TC -
I am obviously a new poster on this board, but not a newcomer to the world of harness racing. On two different occasions, on this board, you have suggested that the only way a horse can win at The Big M on the front was to "bottom out the field." Can you describe what you mean?  I ask because I see quite a few horses winning on the front that do not "bottom out the field" by my definition.

Watch Joe Anderson, and you'll see (IMO) the best in Chicago at bottoming them out on the big track.  He's very good at timing the burst around the 5/8ths to get them home.

Essentially, it's about "getting the jump" on the field.  Obviously, it's harder to do with good stock and good drivers, however.  I really don't see it happen too much at the Big M.

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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2005, 09:40:56 PM »

Watch Joe Anderson, and you'll see (IMO) the best in Chicago at bottoming them out on the big track.  He's very good at timing the burst around the 5/8ths to get them home.

Essentially, it's about "getting the jump" on the field.  Obviously, it's harder to do with good stock and good drivers, however.  I really don't see it happen too much at the Big M.

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EW

Almost on command, Joe puts one down the road.  Watch the replay of Shakeitupamy's win tonight at Balmoral for the perfect example...

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« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2005, 12:27:49 PM »

I watched that race right after I read this post, it was a perfect example.
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