OT Poll: When Hillary wins who hari karis first?

[mel4600]

Hey, how many jobs have YOU created? What is YOUR background? If you want to play this game, put up some info. Let's get this started. What's your education, IQ, etc.

I don't care if Mr. Chadwick makes more money, I'm set for life. But he's the one who started saying "Woe is me. I'm down there in the trenches, working so hard", complaining about China killing his business, expecting us to feel pity for him, etc.

I just pointed out that there all kinds of protections for his business, why can't labor get some of those protections?

Then you chimed in with your little attacks and defense of trust fund babies.

So, belly up to the bar with your education, IQ, etc. You want to play stupid games, let's do it.

My education is simple, I have a degree in finance and own a mortgage banking firm. I will PM you with the name and address of the company and have been in business since Sept. of 1990 and incorporated since August of 1991. I have created 19 jobs that are well paid with effort. I don't consider myself a genius like you, however, I can hold my own with anyone. I "chimed" in because you used my name earlier first and listed me with the "other" if Hillary gets elected. I never served in the armed forces and had a 1A draft status and never used a school deferment even when I had a chance to. I am confident you fabricated your service record and that is inexcusable.

By the way, I just sent you a PM with my company info.

[CLOCKERTERRY]

You boys! More voting, less talking!

Now you see why I'm always against political threads on the forum. 

[Kenneth J. Chadwick]

Hey, how many jobs have YOU created? What is YOUR background? If you want to play this game, put up some info. Let's get this started. What's your education, IQ, etc.

I don't care if Mr. Chadwick makes more money, I'm set for life. But he's the one who started saying "Woe is me. I'm down there in the trenches, working so hard", complaining about China killing his business, expecting us to feel pity for him, etc.

I just pointed out that there all kinds of protections for his business, why can't labor get some of those protections?

Then you chimed in with your little attacks and defense of trust fund babies.

So, belly up to the bar with your education, IQ, etc. You want to play stupid games, let's do it.

Moon,

You misquoted me.

Get your facts together.  Your a guy who has an IQ of over 140+.

Be factual.  You lose all creditability when your brain and mouth are not in sync.

By the way, what is your military record???

As you observe, I use my real name, no alias.

Kenneth J. Chadwick

[mel4600]

You boys! More voting, less talking!

Now you see why I'm always against political threads on the forum. 

Actually healthy political debate is good.

[Moon]

Moon,

You misquoted me.

Get your facts together.  Your a guy who has an IQ of over 140+.

Be factual.  You lose all creditability when your brain and mouth are not in sync.

By the way, what is your military record???

As you observe, I use my real name, no alias.

Kenneth J. Chadwick

Maybe you ought to learn how to read with your 140 IQ. That wasn't addressed to you, was it?

Also, this whole Bill O'Reilly deal where you can criticize anybody unless you are IN the military or you have created jobs is just the kind of crap that Bush pulls off with his "Free Speech Zones". Why do you right wing nuts wave the flag and hate everything America stands for - Free Speech being a big part of the Constitution.

[dogs up]

Let me tell you what I experience.

I had to move from new york state to Illijois after I get remarried, because my wifes former husband, who sexually molested his kids, kept making calls to DCFS to harrass us. The police would not do anything because my stepkids could not fully explain what he had done--Both boys are autistic-- ages at that time were 8 and 4. I have to leave my well paying full time job when we move to help by wife care for the boys. Both boys need medication, and in the last 18 months the youngest boy has had to be hospitalized 9 times(approximately 22 weeks) for emotional trouble.

Because their pediphole father pays no support(he also, fortunately has no rights per the divorce decree)
and because i cannot afford health insurance since I help care for the boys, they are on medicaid. Half the medicines they need the state will not allow. The hospitals release my stepson prior than when he is ready to be discharged because of pressure by the state. This year, in about 25 to 30 actual attendence days at school, he has been suspended 3 times, yet the schools refuse to place him into a type of school that would be of benefit to him

My point is simple- Both political parties suck--American liberals and conservatives suck-The capitalist system has no sympathy for those who, for no fault of their own, are physically or mentally unable to be part of "the System".

I am not so stupid to tell you that communism is any better, because it is just as bad.But all you chest thumpers need to get out of your comfort zone and see how it is for those who are in the lower class-- especially when we were once middle class.

I do work part time at Arlington and my wife collects Social Security so we are not on welfare except for Medicaid for the kids.

By the way-- for all you employers who are so proud of your ability to do I 0's-- Here's a little known fact---If someone comes to you with a SSN that begins with 600 or higher---It is a fake- Wxcept for some railroad workers who would be about 80 today, no cards in that area have ever been issued. When I was a hotel Manager, I encountered some and refused them employment.

[Moon]

My education is simple, I have a degree in finance and own a mortgage banking firm. I will PM you with the name and address of the company and have been in business since Sept. of 1990 and incorporated since August of 1991. I have created 19 jobs that are well paid with effort. I don't consider myself a genius like you, however, I can hold my own with anyone. I "chimed" in because you used my name earlier first and listed me with the "other" if Hillary gets elected. I never served in the armed forces and had a 1A draft status and never used a school deferment even when I had a chance to. I am confident you fabricated your service record and that is inexcusable.

By the way, I just sent you a PM with my company info.

You didn't get my point. I don't GIVE a hoot about your background. I resent your claiming that I can't criticize business without having created jobs. We're still in a democratic SOCIETY here. People who "create jobs" are not immune from criticism.

[Moon]

Don't get me started on Health Insurance, again, dogs up. When I was an independent contractor at IBM, Hillary was trying to get National Health Care going. The IBM programmers said "We don't need that. IBM has better insurance than that!" I turned and looked at him and said "I don't get IBM insurance" and another person said "I don't have ANY insurance" and another and another. Half the department had either private insurance or no insurance, because we were contract or temp.

That opened his eyes right there.

[mel4600]

You didn't get my point. I don't GIVE a hoot about your background. I resent your claiming that I can't criticize business without having created jobs. We're still in a democratic SOCIETY here. People who "create jobs" are immune from criticism.

You miss my POINT. You asked about my background and I gave it to you. You are a LIAR. You were not in the ARMED FORCES. You are a typical LIBERAL democrat complaining about everyone else yet you provide no SOLUTIONS. Don't expect someone to GIVE if you won't GIVE yourself. LEAD by example not with a worthless dialog.

[CLOCKERTERRY]

You didn't get my point. I don't GIVE a hoot about your background. I resent your claiming that I can't criticize business without having created jobs. We're still in a democratic SOCIETY here. People who "create jobs" are immune from criticism.

How about, if we are going to debate these issues, everyone sticks to the issues instead of attacking their opponents' credentials and character? That's what makes such debates so odious, especially to those of us looking in. If people are going to debate those issues in front of a public forum, presumably trying to sway public opinion, inform the public on the issues. The public doesn't care about the protagonists.

Still think Janine should make a separate forum for these items.    Del Mar forum did that. My alderlady had to do that on her forum. She called the new forum "Bughouse Square".

[CLOCKERTERRY]

One question I have. Who is this "other" people are voting for? I can change the poll, and you can change your vote, so as to give it greater granularity.

[Moon]

Actually healthy political debate is good.

And it's fun and invigorating!!!

[CLOCKERTERRY]

You are a typical LIBERAL democrat

See? That doesn't help either, calling names and hanging labels. It's why I started this poll out with the joke of calling my slate of candidates "reactionaries". I don't like conservative. From now on it's "reactionary".  

[mel4600]

One question I have. Who is this "other" people are voting for? I can change the poll, and you can change your vote, so as to give it greater granularity.

Moon

[CLOCKERTERRY]

And it's fun and invigorating!!!

As long as it doesn't create rancor that will poison the forum on horse racing issues in the future. That's the danger.

[CLOCKERTERRY]

Moon

Moon's going to commit suicide when Hillary gets elected? LOL!

[Moon]

You miss my POINT. You asked about my background and I gave it to you. You are a LIAR. You were not in the ARMED FORCES. You are a typical LIBERAL democrat complaining about everyone else yet you provide no SOLUTIONS. Don't expect someone to GIVE if you won't GIVE yourself. LEAD by example not with a worthless dialog.

I must have missed all the solutions you provided. WTF? All you've done on this whole thread is criticize me. I have several solutions on this thread

1. National Health Care
2. Protection for labor like business gets with trade pacts and tariffs, etc.

Just to specifically name two.

Can YOU name two?

And what does being in the Armed Services have to do with anything?

YOU are a typical right wing nut, all ATTACK and no substance.

[Moon]

Hey, if I didn't commit suicide when Bush got elected TWICE, I don't think I will now. At least I'm not a "cut and run" guy like Trackman, who will leave the country if Hillary gets elected.

And I dare say, there's no way Hillary can be worse than Bush and I think about 70% of the US would agree with me. Only the far right hangers-on think that Bush is doing a good job.

[mel4600]

See? That doesn't help either, calling names and hanging labels. It's why I started this poll out with the joke of calling my slate of candidates "reactionaries". I don't like conservative. From now on it's "reactionary".  

Question for you Terry, who started the name calling and hanging of labels? You single out my quote like I started the name calling which I didn't. It was Moon as usual with the political slurs.

[mel4600]

Moon, why did you LIE about you military service?

[CLOCKERTERRY]

If Obama was white, would he have every liberal drooling over him?

Remember he has been in the upper chamber for less than two years.

What has he done, besides give one speech.

I agree. I'm unclear on what he's actually done.

Do you know this guy smokes.

Oh, you didn't know that.  I saw a picture of him with a cigarette in his hand and was later confirmed by John Gibson on Fox Radio.

A guy doesn't know what's good for his own health and he wants to lead the country.

Franklin Roosevelt smoked. He kept a mistress, too. A great man like that couldn't get elected today. Instead our political choices are vanilla, know nothing, no imagination, no vision, mediocre dolts whose only accomplishment to date is passing the media "character" test -- like whether or not he's a smoker. Thank God dubya doesn't smoke!    

[mel4600]

I must have missed all the solutions you provided. WTF? All you've done on this whole thread is criticize me. I have several solutions on this thread

1. National Health Care
2. Protection for labor like business gets with trade pacts and tariffs, etc.

Just to specifically name two.

Can YOU name two?

And what does being in the Armed Services have to do with anything?

YOU are a typical right wing nut, all ATTACK and no substance.

I never said I have the solutions. You asked me how many jobs I created and I told you 16. The ARMED SERVICES have nothing to do with it except the fact that you LIED about yours. I am just exposing you as the LIAR you are.

By the way can anyone tell me what solutions Moon provided us with in the above quote? I sure don't see solutions.

[CLOCKERTERRY]

Question for you Terry, who started the name calling and hanging of labels? You single out my quote like I started the name calling which I didn't. It was Moon as usual with the political slurs.

I don't know and don't care. Your quote was where I picked up this thread, and you were the first to trot out the hackneyed "liberal Democrat" B.S. Like the whole country thinks they're Rush Limbaugh. If Moon did similar he's to blame as well.

[CLOCKERTERRY]

YOU are a typical right wing nut

Okay Mel, you're right, he's doing it too.

Stop that Moon! Or we'll have to get Sister Mary Elephant to whack your peepee!

[CLOCKERTERRY]

By the way can anyone tell me what solutions Moon provided us with in the above quote?

National Health Care might be considered a solution. Might be considered a problem by some, as well, but so might almost any political decision.