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« on: December 21, 2006, 12:17:35 PM »

http://www.harnessracing.com/news_detailed.php?id=5954


DD......it looks like The Big M's testing is working on the PA cheaters.....  Erv Miller should be the trainer of the year. 
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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2006, 12:37:45 PM »


The Daily Daley has spoken AGAIN / Nothing but the TRUTH!!
« on: June 27, 2006, 12:38:30 PM »


From a June posting. Gee I was only 6 months ahead of schedule. You don't need to apogize.

Another point. The Big M has an agreement with the horsemen that if EPO is found in the horses system, the horse has to provide a clean sample before racing again. No penalty to the trainer, PERIOD. What got Rucker in trouble was his PRE-NUPT with the Big M saying he would be a good boy based on his "Chicago TROUBLE$" or should we say "PA$T PERFORMANCE$". If you want to find out what horses are on the EPO watch list, let's start having the Big M publish that list. And trust me there are more than Highland Pride A on that list. If they do in fact have a test for EPO anti-bodies, how many have been tested.

Hey Chri$, you listening.  Here is your chance for an ATTA-BOY. 

But then again, it would let the public really know how bad "IT REALLY I$" and how poorly you have done your job along with the NJRC.

After 15 years of HOT LUNCHES, they ALL truly need to go.

And then we get the Burke's $table slowing down after that dilator infraction. How many times do we need to see the Succeed advertisement in Hoof Beats with the Burkes stating my horses run on hay and oats? Sure they do Mickey. Unfortunately for you, most of us know better.

As I said before, if you owned a casino, would you want the USTA or NJRC or McErlean, Langley, Engel involved in any phase of the business. My answer is and always will be a RE$$OUNDING NO, NO, and NO.

The $PORT is "BETTOR OFF" without them in charge.

1 Down on a "BUYOUT" more to come.
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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2006, 12:41:32 PM »

DD you called this in June....

Does this stable race on "Suceed" only in PA...or do they not test in PA?
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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2006, 12:50:25 PM »

Before I go any farther do you know what the Succeed is?
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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2006, 12:58:33 PM »

Before you get your "FEELINGS" crushed, remember this. The NJSP could not break down the Daley formula. Therefore "THE AGREEMENT" between the state and Daley.

Who does the testing for the BIG M NOW Wink.  Could it be they have outsourced that testing to competent testing labs Roll Eyes.

I would have to think that the testing the NJSP does is not as involved or in depth as the various labs the REAL RACE COMMISSIONS use, therefore the positives are down in a numbers game at the BIG M.

As I have said before and will again, not all labs have the same testing capabilities.

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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2006, 01:00:22 PM »

I get HOOFBEATS...I saw the add where they say that is the only thing that they use....I also saw a add for Suceed in HOOFBEATS where Brett Robinson says that this is the only thing he uses (Holborn Hanover)!!!!!
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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2006, 01:10:04 PM »

http://www.succeeddcp.com


Good. You did your homework. Above is the link to the website should you want to visit.

As the "MORE GARBAGE" gets pumped in, the more ulcers the horses have. The more ulcers they have the more "TREATMENTS" they need.

Mickey Burkes VET BILLS ARE A dollar dollar dollar TOUNDING.

It isn't the training,  "IT I dollar dollar THE BOTTLE"
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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2006, 01:29:34 PM »

Before you get your "FEELINGS" crushed, remember this. The NJSP could not break down the Daley formula. Therefore "THE AGREEMENT" between the state and Daley.

Who does the testing for the BIG M NOW Wink.  Could it be they have outsourced that testing to competent testing labs Roll Eyes.

I would have to think that the testing the NJSP does is not as involved or in depth as the various labs the REAL RACE COMMISSIONS use, therefore the positives are down in a numbers game at the BIG M.

As I have said before and will again, not all labs have the same testing capabilities.



This was freaking Lidocaine positive, not some designer drug. Chances are pretty good that it came from a foot block or something similar. That's the usual source.

What any of this has to do with "Succeed", Noel Daley, "dilator" infractions (Can you fill me in on that one please? When did Burke have a "dilator" infraction?), McErlean, Langley, or any of the host of red herrings and straw men you're so fond of throwing up against the wall?
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« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2006, 01:39:40 PM »

This was freaking Lidocaine positive, not some designer drug. Chances are pretty good that it came from a foot block or something similar. That's the usual source.

What any of this has to do with "Succeed", Noel Daley, "dilator" infractions (Can you fill me in on that one please? When did Burke have a "dilator" infraction?), McErlean, Langley, or any of the host of red herrings and straw men you're so fond of throwing up against the wall?

Were we speaking to you Wink. Get back in your "HOLE". If or "WHEN" you are needed, I will let you know.

Otherwise, SHUT UP Grin Grin Grin Grin.
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« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2006, 01:43:50 PM »

Were we speaking to you Wink. Get back in your "HOLE". If or "WHEN" you are needed, I will let you know.

Otherwise, SHUT UP Grin Grin Grin Grin.

In other words, as usual you know nothing, have no facts, and are just blowing hot air.
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« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2006, 01:53:10 PM »

Lidocain is a Class II? Shocked Shocked  Let's see now..............everyone start going through your medicine cabinet............what all has Lidocain in it?  Hhhhmmm.......... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Once again a positive test that is going to make big headlines and get tongues a wagg'in when there are BIGGER FISH TO FRY OUT THERE!

The new wonder drug right Daley?  Made all them Burke's horses fly. Shocked  Big deal. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2006, 01:53:50 PM »

The point I was trying to make was Snake Venom?   Mickey's vet must have ran out.

Isn't that STILL a popular NERVE BLOCKING AGENT, NJ. You can talk now geezer.
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« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2006, 02:05:50 PM »

Pyrilamine positive for Robinson.

Lidocaine for Burke.

Let's compare, you can't breathe, but you can with Pyrilamine.

Bad - sore feet / ankles - Can't walk, but you can run with Lidocaine.

Does it enhance performance geezer. You figure it out Grin.
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« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2006, 02:15:04 PM »

Feeding high quality grain enhances performance!  Making sure the horse gets out of his stall nearly everyday enhances performance! 

When is common sense every going to come into play in harness racing?! Angry
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« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2006, 02:19:17 PM »

Lidocaine blocks are VERY short term!  You'd have to block one with Lidocaine in the paddock about 30 minutes before the horse raced to have it be effective!

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« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2006, 02:47:02 PM »

Lidocaine blocks are VERY short term!  You'd have to block one with Lidocaine in the paddock about 30 minutes before the horse raced to have it be effective!

Which MEANS WHAT!     

MICKEY KNEW exactly what he was doing and why he was doing it Roll Eyes.

Maybe it was in the detention barn at the "HEAVILY ENFORCED
BIG M" Grin.

Wouldn't that be something Wink.
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« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2006, 03:14:05 PM »


Maybe it was in the detention barn at the "HEAVILY ENFORCED
BIG M" Grin.

Wouldn't that be something Wink.

Sorry to disappoint you, but it was not a detention barn race.
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« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2006, 03:25:07 PM »

Lidocaine blocks are VERY short term!  You'd have to block one with Lidocaine in the paddock about 30 minutes before the horse raced to have it be effective!



While its effects are short term, it is still present in detectable amounts for a much longer time. For example, Canadian medication guidelines suggest a 24 to 36 hour withdrawal (depending on how it was administered) in order to avoid a positive test.
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« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2006, 03:31:47 PM »

Years ago a friend of mine got a positive on Lidocaine from a heel salve that contained it, but he didn't read the ingredients. It was something stupid like A&E ointment, but none the less it got him a positive.
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« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2006, 03:33:18 PM »

Years ago a friend of mine got a positive on Lidocaine from a heel salve that contained it, but he didn't read the ingredients. It was something stupid like A&E ointment, but none the less it got him a positive.

Donna:

Your friend wouldn't be the only one to fall victim to an innocent-looking salve.
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« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2006, 03:47:09 PM »

Years ago a friend of mine got a positive on Lidocaine from a heel salve that contained it, but he didn't read the ingredients. It was something stupid like A&E ointment, but none the less it got him a positive.
I do remember someone getting a positive for lidocaine contained in some linament.  I didn't know it was heal salve.  I don't know why nolvasan comes to mind...because I'm sure thats not it.

While its effects are short term, it is still present in detectable amounts for a much longer time. For example, Canadian medication guidelines suggest a 24 to 36 hour withdrawal (depending on how it was administered) in order to avoid a positive test.

I agree without a doubt, as is the case for many medications.   However, unless it was administered as a diagnostic, I'm not sure why anyone would use lidocaine as a block and risk getting a positive.  There are much more effective long term nerve blocks that won't yield a positive test.
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« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2006, 03:58:55 PM »

Usually when people get lidocaine positives its a mistake by a vet. When they get a horse injected or blocked a few days before a race and the Vet puts it in on accident or doesnt know the horse is in to go within a few days. You would have to use it really close for it to really help, Like a few hours . And i don't know burke but i can't imagine he's dumb enough to use it on race day. Its common knowledge this drug tests and is usually a bad fine and alot of days.
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« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2006, 04:07:57 PM »

Usually when people get lidocaine positives its a mistake by a vet. When they get a horse injected or blocked a few days before a race and the Vet puts it in on accident or doesnt know the horse is in to go within a few days. You would have to use it really close for it to really help, Like a few hours . And i don't know burke but i can't imagine he's dumb enough to use it on race day. Its common knowledge this drug tests and is usually a bad fine and alot of days.

When I get my heel spur injected the skin is first numbed with lidocaine.  To make a big deal out of this makes a mockery of equine medicine.
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« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2006, 04:23:38 PM »

I "THINK" Amy was at the GYNECOLOGIST when her heel was injected.
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« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2006, 04:34:30 PM »

I "THINK"

Not a chance in the world...those aren't thoughts, they're the delusions of a paranoid schizophrenic.
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