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Author Topic: Who was it?  (Read 1164 times)
Horse Voice
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« on: December 16, 2005, 08:42:37 AM »

Who was it that was yapping when Hawthorne started this fall about how there would be a "predictable decline in field sizes" later in the meet?

The Hawthorne meet is almost over, and:

* Friday 12/16: 9 races, 89 horses are entered

* Saturday 12/17: 9 races, 96 horses are entered

Amazing what happens when you write races in which trainers & owners actually feel like that have a chance to get a check, eh?

Boys, I think it's time to admit that the AP racing secretary just can't cut it -- I don't care what excuses -- hurricanes, recapture, low purses, competition from CD, gas prices, the war in Iraq, rampant gingivitis, etc. -- anyone comes up with: the fact is, Hawthorne offers big bettable fields, and AP doesn't.
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big wally
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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2005, 11:54:47 AM »

Give Arlingtons Racing Secreatry a break, he has only been here 48hrs. Hawthornes fields are ok, quality took a tumble since October.
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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2005, 01:14:34 AM »

If the races are so bettable why is on track handle down for the meet as well as money bet on the Hawthorne signal? This was the specific reason given for the recent purse cut. They are still in the hole too, and its not by just a small amount either. Yes the larger fields are great but if they are not betting them then something is wrong.
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edwarren
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« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2005, 01:11:48 PM »

If the races are so bettable why is on track handle down for the meet as well as money bet on the Hawthorne signal? This was the specific reason given for the recent purse cut. They are still in the hole too, and its not by just a small amount either. Yes the larger fields are great but if they are not betting them then something is wrong.

I think Hawthorne's races are very bettable. My feeling is that racing is a very regional, if not even a local, sport. Many people feel it's difficult enough picking winner's as it is and so trying to pick them at an unfamiliar track, where you don't know the trainers or the jocks or the length of the stretch or the distance to the first turn or whatever, makes it, IN THEIR MINDS, mind you, that much more difficult. Of courser , this is untrue. I AM NOT advocating making all tracks same size, same everything, etc. that would so suck, but I think it just means their are more fans at other tracks and siters betting locally. I don't see any reason not to bet HAW personally.

Many people only bet jocks or trainers. Or even just the number 6. Or horse's named after their cat, and they just happen to be at the track that day and they're just enjoying themselves. It's entertainnment, remember.
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edwarren
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« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2005, 01:31:01 PM »

If the races are so bettable why is on track handle down for the meet as well as money bet on the Hawthorne signal? This was the specific reason given for the recent purse cut. They are still in the hole too, and its not by just a small amount either. Yes the larger fields are great but if they are not betting them then something is wrong.

Tell you something else: My opinion and I don't know, I'm ONLY a fan, but managements are, probably, very jealous of their turf and they mark their territory, like DOGS. Take NYRA, for example, they don't handle the HAW signal, only sometimes, but instead manage the shithole CAL action which I wish they would stop doing.
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big wally
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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2005, 03:38:32 PM »

I believe Jim C remarksdealt with On Track handle on Hawthorne races. These numbers are down. Either the locals are not betting Hawthorne or there a very few on track patrons to begin with.  There have been discussions before why these numbers are down.
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edwarren
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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2005, 04:16:24 PM »

I believe Jim C remarksdealt with On Track handle on Hawthorne races. These numbers are down. Either the locals are not betting Hawthorne or there a very few on track patrons to begin with.  There have been discussions before why these numbers are down.

You don't haveta look far. Once upon a time...people actually used to GO OUT !. Yes, it's true ! Before air-conditioning, before television. people would even go out TO HEAR LIVE MUSIC and TO DANCE ! Sometimes, they would go out just to walk on the street !

Today there is a TOTAL pool of money available to horseracing. This pool has to be better managed from the BOTTOM UP, not top-down, but don't bet on it. The industry's organization must become more democratic and less like it looks now.

Democratic in the sense of a true deocratic structure where power is decentralized and where checks and balances prevail, like a legislature.

Possibly, if the racing industry were nationalized, it could be improved but it won't be under the current regime. This could be only one solution, but under the current structure, there are no solutions I can see. Once slots and land-based casinos are in, honest horsemen will always go begging. That is the monkey that keeps the current structure in place. And, after those are FIRMLY in place there may be no honest small/medium operators left.

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