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Author Topic: Meadowlands to put 2 Amateur races on the betting card friday  (Read 2801 times)
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« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2006, 11:01:59 AM »

first, at 200K a race, 10% off is NOT $4,000, its $2,000 .. so fix your calculator... no wonder why you lose money betting... your math is off!!

nobody is talking about 400 K of anything...... last year, the friggin pool was like 4 grand less for the billings race then it was for the race right after it you ninnie

4 grand times 10% is $400 bucks... for what.... for a bad betting race

I think not ... these are great betting races... if you can't make money on this, then just give up... I know its hard for a veteran like you who has been making a living at this since 2004, but basically... its easy money being handed to you... lets see if you are smart enought to step up, put your hand out and take it ... or if you are the fool you sound like.

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I know the purse money doesn't all come from the purse account for the race.  Like I said in my past post, I'm not talking about that.

If NOONE bet the race, and they were out about $300-400k in handle, even at a marginal 5%, it would cost the purse account $15-20k.  So, obviously, these things matter.

There's no doubt that it's a cost.  Do you not dispute the fact that there's less money bet on these races?

In the past, there were far more horses at each track.  Might be a possible reason these races are finding their way into the cards.

Let's say handle is off 10%.  At $200k per race, that's $40k in handle.  At 5%, that's $2k in money wasted.  For what?  To give bettors a crappy betting race?  Finally, who cares about hot dogs and shrimp?  Those don't come from the purse account.

I'm not saying it's a ground-breaking amount of money.  It's simply something no one seems to mention.

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« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2006, 11:04:35 AM »

first, at 200K a race, 10% off is NOT $4,000, its $2,000 .. so fix your calculator... no wonder why you lose money betting... your math is off!!

nobody is talking about 400 K of anything...... last year, the friggin pool was like 4 grand less for the billings race then it was for the race right after it you ninnie

4 grand times 10% is $400 bucks... for what.... for a bad betting race

I think not ... these are great betting races... if you can't make money on this, then just give up... I know its hard for a veteran like you who has been making a living at this since 2004, but basically... its easy money being handed to you... lets see if you are smart enought to step up, put your hand out and take it ... or if you are the fool you sound like.

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200k a race, times two races.  I was referring to your comment about "if no-one bets them, it doesn't matter."

These might be good betting races if you spend your time following the Billings circuit -- which most do not.

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« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2006, 11:11:34 AM »

I read this forum .. isn't it you who claims that most of your action (all $100) goes to off-shore rebate shops?

Huh? 

Doesn't that hurt the handle?  Huh?   You are so concerned about the handle but you need to bet offshore like an illegal allien?  Whats the matter you inconsiderate little fart - the pools arent good enough for you?

Do us all a favor you hippocritical little know-nothing waste of molecules ... do everyone a favor here and SHUT THE FLUCK UP.   

You are a phony and a fraud.   STFU with your pios bullshlit like you care about the frucking betting pools.  Go back to downloading porn.

And remember... use your left hand - it feels like someone else!
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« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2006, 11:17:15 AM »

I read this forum .. isn't it you who claims that most of your action (all $100) goes to off-shore rebate shops?

Huh? 

Doesn't that hurt the handle?  Huh?   You are so concerned about the handle but you need to bet offshore like an illegal allien?  Whats the matter you inconsiderate little fart - the pools arent good enough for you?

Do us all a favor you hippocritical little know-nothing waste of molecules ... do everyone a favor here and SHUT THE FLUCK UP.   

You are a phony and a fraud.   STFU with your pios bullshlit like you care about the frucking betting pools.  Go back to downloading porn.

And remember... use your left hand - it feels like someone else!

My handle does not all go to off-shore books.  The majority goes right to the pools through rebate shops.  I contribute -- through these shops -- far, far, far more than the average bettor.  Yes, some handle goes to books, but that's simply a part of the game given the small pools.

I could care less how you feel about me.

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« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2006, 12:05:42 PM »


GOOD.  Im glad you admit what a hippocrit you are and as for how I feel about you, I haven't even said yet so how do you know?  For the record, you are the type of person whose parents should have had an abortion before they even walked the earth, okay pal.

I admit that I'm a hipocrite by sending tens of thousands per year into purse accounts across the Nation?  Yawn.

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« Reply #30 on: December 01, 2006, 12:09:38 PM »

Does anyone care about the purse account -- which will be shorted somewhat (however slightly, it's simply the point of the matter) by these races being carded?

It won't be enough to matter. Stakes races also normally short the purse account. What's important is how the overall purse account gets distributed over the whole season.
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« Reply #31 on: December 01, 2006, 12:14:03 PM »

It won't be enough to matter. Stakes races also normally short the purse account. What's important is how the overall purse account gets distributed over the whole season.

The average handle on a stakes race is lower than that of an overnight?

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« Reply #32 on: December 01, 2006, 12:17:13 PM »

ARE we supposed to believe that you are playing at a rebate shot onshore at 4% when offshore offers 7%  ... spare us your lies

Its also odd that you are a moderator for TRACKCHAMPION, which is sponsored by PINNACLE, the biggest offshore rebate shop there is.

Keep lying to yourself you silly child.
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« Reply #33 on: December 01, 2006, 12:17:57 PM »

The average handle on a stakes race is lower than that of an overnight?

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EW. were you arrested last week? on *** they said you were in jail for tickets or speeding. i know its off topic but were you injail?

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« Reply #34 on: December 01, 2006, 12:21:33 PM »

The average handle on a stakes race is lower than that of an overnight?

The handle on stakes doesn't normally cover the cost of the purse for that race.
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« Reply #35 on: December 01, 2006, 12:22:14 PM »

EW. were you arrested last week? on *** they said you were in jail for tickets or speeding. i know its off topic but were you injail?

Bobby

haha -- no, I was not arrested.

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« Reply #36 on: December 01, 2006, 12:23:34 PM »

The handle on stakes doesn't normally cover the cost of the purse for that race.

What about stake payments?

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« Reply #37 on: December 01, 2006, 12:25:27 PM »

What about stake payments?

Normally a small % of the total purse. Depends on the race.
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« Reply #38 on: December 01, 2006, 12:34:40 PM »

Normally a small % of the total purse. Depends on the race.

Either way, stakes add value for horsemen and owners.  This does what?

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« Reply #39 on: December 01, 2006, 12:42:03 PM »

Either way, stakes add value for horsemen and owners.  This does what?

The discussion I'm in is only about the effect on the purse account.
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« Reply #40 on: December 01, 2006, 12:44:25 PM »

The discussion I'm in is only about the effect on the purse account.

Considering that the purse account exists for the horsemen and owners, I connect the two.

The bottom line: I don't understand why these have to be wagering races.

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« Reply #41 on: December 01, 2006, 12:51:14 PM »

Considering that the purse account exists for the horsemen and owners, I connect the two.

The bottom line: I don't understand why these have to be wagering races.

If you dont agree don't bet them! There's 10 others on the card. 12 more races tomorrow. At least 8 other tracks running tonight you could bet instead. life will go on.
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« Reply #42 on: December 01, 2006, 12:53:19 PM »

If you dont agree don't bet them! There's 10 others on the card. 12 more races tomorrow. At least 8 other tracks running tonight you could bet instead. life will go on.

It's this attitude that alienates bettors.

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« Reply #43 on: December 01, 2006, 12:54:04 PM »

It's this attitude that alienates bettors.

I accept blame for all the ills of harness racing.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #44 on: December 01, 2006, 12:57:34 PM »

I accept blame for all the ills of harness racing.  Roll Eyes

I said this where?

There's just so many things that the bettor is just supposed to "accept" -- it's ridiculous.

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« Reply #45 on: December 01, 2006, 01:01:59 PM »

EW:

You can personally solve the problem by making all your Meadowlands bets tonight through a legal account wagering platform is part of the wagering pool, as opposed to your offshore book.  Cheesy

I am amazed how someone who continually extols the benefits of wagering through an illegal offshore book because it rebates back to your account can turn around and have such a holier-than-thou attitude because the track will lose a minuscule amount of handle on two amateur races.
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« Reply #46 on: December 01, 2006, 01:04:38 PM »

EW:

You can personally solve the problem by making all your Meadowlands bets tonight through a legal account wagering platform is part of the wagering pool, as opposed to your offshore book.  Cheesy

I am amazed how someone who continually extols the benefits of wagering through an illegal offshore book because it rebates back to your account can turn around and have such a holier-than-thou attitude because the track will lose a minuscule amount of handle on two amateur races.

How many times do I have to explain this...I bet bunches of money -- RIGHT INTO THE POOLS -- through rebate shops...that pay an increased simulcast rate.

Some of my handle goes to off-shore books.  Mainly at tracks with pools that are so small that it's tough to play parimutually -- certainly not the BigM, except in very rare cases.

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« Reply #47 on: December 01, 2006, 01:05:13 PM »

Paulie:

He cant do that cause he doesnt even bet Meadowlands anyway. Why should he go up against the sharpest cappers in the land? Haha..this kid is too much..But you are right on Paulie boy..Come to think of it, if EW doesnt bet M1 why does he care?
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« Reply #48 on: December 01, 2006, 01:12:25 PM »

GET EM PAULIE

I FINALLY AGREE WITH YOU ... This EW is such a phoney talking out of both ends of his mouth...

and remember.. he bets TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLERS... yeah right

the only time tens of thousands of anything come out of his wallet ... is MOTHS.

And tens of thousands of words come out of his mouth ... its B.S.
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« Reply #49 on: December 01, 2006, 01:16:10 PM »

How many times do I have to explain this...I bet bunches of money -- RIGHT INTO THE POOLS -- through rebate shops...that pay an increased simulcast rate.

Some of my handle goes to off-shore books.  Mainly at tracks with pools that are so small that it's tough to play parimutually -- certainly not the BigM, except in very rare cases.

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EW:
As a word of advice, if I were you, I'd stop explaining it for as long as part of the explanation says "Some of my handle goes to off-shore books."
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