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« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2005, 01:23:37 PM »

I actually love when Ledford is on a chalky horse, that is when you hit the windows double fisted with value elsewhere. I've seen him drive enough chalk into the ground in 1:22 3/4 time, the red light goes off when you see him as chalk..



I totally agree, you can't base your opinion of a driver on one race, and the only reason I said it was a horse he should of won on was because that is why it made no sense to go to the half that fast and not let the other favorite clear and get the two hole trip.  I have seen Ledford make over aggressive moves like that more than once.  Im not saying he isn't a good driver, because he is.  He has won a number of big races. 
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« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2005, 02:08:42 PM »

You get the best horses when you are one of the best drivers. Plain and simple. That is why Miller Pierce and Sears have first choice.



You missed my point.
Without driving the same kind of stock Sears, Miller and Pierce did, he still had a comparable win percentage.
That's pretty damn good.
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« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2005, 02:27:47 PM »

So he didn't have as good of stock as them?

I recall his father winning at 25% for the entire year at BigM. Figure his #'s without those horses. Let me know where he's at.


You missed my point.
Without driving the same kind of stock Sears, Miller and Pierce did, he still had a comparable win percentage.
That's pretty damn good.
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« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2005, 02:53:16 PM »

So he didn't have as good of stock as them?

I recall his father winning at 25% for the entire year at BigM. Figure his #'s without those horses. Let me know where he's at.



There was an article on how good Ledford was doing with lesser stock than the top boys last summer by Pandolfo on the USTA site that really showed just how good a meet he was having.
His fathere's horses notwithstanding.
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« Reply #29 on: December 13, 2005, 03:14:10 PM »

I remember that article and it was right on. Check that one out. Great Point!

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« Reply #30 on: December 13, 2005, 03:46:08 PM »

If he was doing that well, wouldn't he be getting the better stock?


There was an article on how good Ledford was doing with lesser stock than the top boys last summer by Pandolfo on the USTA site that really showed just how good a meet he was having.
His fathere's horses notwithstanding.
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« Reply #31 on: December 14, 2005, 01:53:22 AM »

Baron/Mgriffin

Better stock= better driver?Huh  Simple thoughts for simple minds!!!  Miller, Pierce, Campbell get more out of a cheap horse than all the other drivers,  thats what has made them great.  Now add Sears and soon to add Ledford.  Eric use to drive a 15k the way he drove an open pacer.  He doesn't do that any more.  He tries to get the most out of his horse's trip whether thats on the front end or 2nd over.  That is the recipe for success and he is a better driver for it.
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« Reply #32 on: December 14, 2005, 09:09:09 AM »

I have already stated that in the past. I agree with you. There are times at smaller racetracks where sub par drivers have the best stock, but not are looked upon as the best driver.
Not always, does the best stock make the best driver.
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« Reply #33 on: December 14, 2005, 09:23:37 AM »

Better horse usually does mean better driver. You proved a point to yourself that you were arguing. Ledford is getting no better, just compare his stats from last year to this year.. Show me the big improvement.


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Better stock= better driver?Huh  Simple thoughts for simple minds!!!  Miller, Pierce, Campbell get more out of a cheap horse than all the other drivers,  thats what has made them great.  Now add Sears and soon to add Ledford.  Eric use to drive a 15k the way he drove an open pacer.  He doesn't do that any more.  He tries to get the most out of his horse's trip whether thats on the front end or 2nd over.  That is the recipe for success and he is a better driver for it.
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« Reply #34 on: December 14, 2005, 12:42:55 PM »

Baron

For the record I confused you with Burton in other posts and I just realized it as I started this post with Burton at the top!  Sorry!  That explains why some of my comments directed at you were out of place.  I'll try to keep it straight.

The reason Eric is better is not in his 2005 percentages.  Since the Meadowlands reopened he has shown more patience and better strategy.  He doesn't have the lead at the half on every non-Ledford trained horse he drives.  Conservation of energy will improve his stats.  Mark where he is at by the end of February and include him in your gimmicks.
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« Reply #35 on: December 14, 2005, 12:53:43 PM »

Sorry, I see the same old Ledford. Burying the horse by the 3/4 pole, have seen it many times this Fall meet. He is a great driver to play against when he has speed or chalk.


Baron

For the record I confused you with Burton in other posts and I just realized it as I started this post with Burton at the top!  Sorry!  That explains why some of my comments directed at you were out of place.  I'll try to keep it straight.

The reason Eric is better is not in his 2005 percentages.  Since the Meadowlands reopened he has shown more patience and better strategy.  He doesn't have the lead at the half on every non-Ledford trained horse he drives.  Conservation of energy will improve his stats.  Mark where he is at by the end of February and include him in your gimmicks.
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