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Author Topic: Morgan: What a Bum!!  (Read 1907 times)
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« on: December 14, 2005, 11:45:44 AM »

Driver Tony Morgan, currently second among North American drivers in terms of wins, scored six victories tonight at Dover Downs.
He made his fifth of six trips to the winner's circle driving Danes Acres' This Marks A Lady up the passing lane to score her fifth consecutive win of the meet. The Mark Johnathan four-year-old trained by Linda MacDonald registered a 1:54.1 victory in a $16,500 Filly and Mare pace. Casino Miss (Ron Pierce) was second. Fox Valley Mickala (Jim Morand) finished third.

The 47 year-old horseman now has 655 wins this year and just under $5 million in earnings. Lifetime his stats show 9,814 victories and $64 million in purses.
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« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2005, 12:27:21 PM »

He did stiff 3 favorites.

12 drives 6 wins 1 place 1 show 3 stiffs. Some days work.

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« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2005, 12:30:15 PM »

Take the good and bad.. Combine those with his 0 for 13 Thursday.. Gives you 6 wins in 25 drives... Not bad, but Palone crushes that percentage


He did stiff 3 favorites.

12 drives 6 wins 1 place 1 show 3 stiffs. Some days work.


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« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2005, 12:34:28 PM »

Take the good and bad.. Combine those with his 0 for 13 Thursday.. Gives you 6 wins in 25 drives... Not bad

Thats why it is a waste of everyones time to talk about what someone did any one day. If the racing season was one day long then maybe.
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« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2005, 12:38:49 PM »

I don't believe Pierce and the others had horses to drive that were as competitive as his Tuesday.  Still a good day.  Morgan should dominate these Delaware guys the way Grismore or Walter Case does/did the Northfield guys.  He should win 10 on a 15 race card!  And do it with horses that haven't caught a field in 6 starts much less win a race.  Grismore does it all the time.  Case of course could win with a three legged mule.
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« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2005, 12:42:49 PM »

I don't believe Pierce and the others had horses to drive that were as competitive as his Tuesday.

It would ruin a lot of arguments about Monday if competitiveness of horse was allowed in to the mix. No just stick with drivers.
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« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2005, 12:58:15 PM »

FYI Dave Palone at the Meadows on Tues 12/13/15

Total Drives 15
In the top 3--13/15
Wins--7
Place--4
Show--2

Not a bad night!

MG
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« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2005, 06:53:14 PM »

If we are talking about total domination at a track, no one matches Palone.. The only one relative to him was Case at Northfield. I am not sure he even won 30%+ for an entire year..


FYI Dave Palone at the Meadows on Tues 12/13/15

Total Drives 15
In the top 3--13/15
Wins--7
Place--4
Show--2

Not a bad night!

MG
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« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2005, 06:55:05 PM »

If we are talking about total domination at a track, no one matches Palone.. The only one relative to him was Case at Northfield. I am not sure he even won 30%+ for an entire year..



There's a total lack of competition at the Meadows.  Palone is talented, but the competition and the stock he drives helps more than anything.

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« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2005, 07:01:24 PM »

Well I keep hearing the same thing exists at Dover with Morgan. So how is it different?


There's a total lack of competition at the Meadows.  Palone is talented, but the competition and the stock he drives helps more than anything.

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« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2005, 07:46:36 PM »

Well I keep hearing the same thing exists at Dover with Morgan. So how is it different?



In my opinion, the group of drivers at Dover exceeds that of the Meadows.  Also, Palone generally has the choice of about half the field, so he lands on the best horse in nearly every race.

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« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2005, 01:40:39 AM »

morgan is one of the best drivers, always did great with my horse. People are just jealous. Hes laughing all the way to the bank.
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« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2005, 02:13:20 AM »

I don't recall exactly what race it was  but tony was on a horse at  #4 @1/5.
The other drivers were hell bent on beating him one way or another , It was a late race  were all long big shots came in  2-7-8  i think,  Look at the race.
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« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2005, 02:31:14 AM »

Morgan wins 6 as he should.  Only competition was in the first where Pierce had a drive.  The rest were against inbreds who don't know which end of the rickshaw they should be on!  Hanners?  Givens?  Where is Pat Berry?  he would kill em here!
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« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2005, 10:22:41 AM »

Rickshaw inbreds that make 5 times what you make in a year.. That's the irony of it all.


Morgan wins 6 as he should.  Only competition was in the first where Pierce had a drive.  The rest were against inbreds who don't know which end of the rickshaw they should be on!  Hanners?  Givens?  Where is Pat Berry?  he would kill em here!
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« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2005, 10:28:52 AM »

Let's look at the driver colony for both.

Dover has Morgan, Hanners, Morand. Wolfenden
The Meadows has Palone, Hall, Wilder and Stillings.

It is very close to call. The racing is definitely better in Dover and the purses are too.
Who do people give the edge to?

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« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2005, 11:42:35 AM »

Dover obviously has much better horses than The Meadows, but that is due to the purses. The driving colony is stronger at Dover, but not by that much. Hard to argue with how Sears has represented The Meadows since he left..

One thing about The Meadows though - from a handicapping standpoint, when I see a trotter ship to ANYWHERE from there, I go to the windows double fisted if he even figures to contend. They ship tremendously and win very frequently. I never understood why they were so dominant when they shipped out of The Meadows, I can only guess the weather up there toughens them up..

Let's look at the driver colony for both.

Dover has Morgan, Hanners, Morand. Wolfenden
The Meadows has Palone, Hall, Wilder and Stillings.

It is very close to call. The racing is definitely better in Dover and the purses are too.
Who do people give the edge to?

MG
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« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2005, 02:42:28 PM »

Baron, I totally agree with you. It does baffle me why the trotters do so well at other tracks. Nice point. I think it would make for a nice Drivers Challenge.

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« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2005, 03:07:56 PM »

Dover obviously has much better horses than The Meadows, but that is due to the purses. The driving colony is stronger at Dover, but not by that much. Hard to argue with how Sears has represented The Meadows since he left..

One thing about The Meadows though - from a handicapping standpoint, when I see a trotter ship to ANYWHERE from there, I go to the windows double fisted if he even figures to contend. They ship tremendously and win very frequently. I never understood why they were so dominant when they shipped out of The Meadows, I can only guess the weather up there toughens them up..

baron,great observation !  My working theory is that with trotters being so skiddish, the Meadows trotters are happy to not have to look inside the infield and see a mini-quarry and pit of dispair.  Wink TC
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« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2005, 04:33:54 PM »

I think I saw Mr Slate in the infield there one day..


baron,great observation !  My working theory is that with trotters being so skiddish, the Meadows trotters are happy to not have to look inside the infield and see a mini-quarry and pit of dispair.  Wink TC
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« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2005, 04:50:24 PM »

Baron

I dont think the weather has anything to do with how tough the horses from the meadows are. IMO-- I think it is because of the track and location of barn area.

First, they have a lot of trotters that are very well bred racing on a regular basis.so instead of racing them over there head they have a opportunity to improve in racing caliber but more so build confidence. Second, The location of the barn area is on top of that hill there on the backside, so if they train on track or have been developed there they are constantly climbing those hills. If you ever take a look at anything that was developed there, everyone I have ever seen from the meadows has a great big chest on them.

just my opinion I could wrong.
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« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2005, 05:09:49 PM »

I think I saw Mr Slate in the infield there one day..


...was he yelling..."FLINTSTONE !..." ?  TC
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« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2005, 11:40:48 AM »

That's certainly something to think about.. Ii am just continually amazed at how well their trotters ship..Even at M1, they win a lot..

Baron

I dont think the weather has anything to do with how tough the horses from the meadows are. IMO-- I think it is because of the track and location of barn area.

First, they have a lot of trotters that are very well bred racing on a regular basis.so instead of racing them over there head they have a opportunity to improve in racing caliber but more so build confidence. Second, The location of the barn area is on top of that hill there on the backside, so if they train on track or have been developed there they are constantly climbing those hills. If you ever take a look at anything that was developed there, everyone I have ever seen from the meadows has a great big chest on them.

just my opinion I could wrong.
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