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Author Topic: NIce numbers for OPENING NIGHT NJ and Night 2. Sure.  (Read 3145 times)
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« on: November 18, 2006, 12:02:00 PM »

Meadowlands Live Handle: $503,904 |   Total Handle: $2,551,063 |

On-site Handle: $1,634,547 |   Attendance: 5,859

About $86 per patron for their LIVE CARD.

Sounds like WORLD CHAMPIONSHIT numbers to me.
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« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2006, 12:04:43 PM »

Meadowlands Live Handle: $503,904 |   Total Handle: $2,551,063 |

On-site Handle: $1,634,547 |   Attendance: 5,859

About $86 per patron for their LIVE CARD.

Sounds like WORLD CHAMPIONSHIT numbers to me.


What did Yonkers get?
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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2006, 12:11:50 PM »

What did Yonkers get?

10,000 women upwards of 40 keeping hitting max bet!
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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2006, 12:12:19 PM »

The Meadowlands live handle money, that's what.
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« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2006, 12:14:41 PM »

Meadowlands Live Handle: $503,904 |   Total Handle: $2,551,063 |

On-site Handle: $1,634,547 |   Attendance: 5,859

About $86 per patron for their LIVE CARD.

Sounds like WORLD CHAMPIONSHIT numbers to me.


Not everyone bets, first off.  Also, are you not counting simulcast money?

Finally, lest we forget that many larger bettors won't touch the track until form gets developed more clearly.

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« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2006, 12:24:36 PM »

The Meadowlands live handle money, that's what.

I was hoping for some real numbers instead of bullshit but that's all to be expected from the Daily Dribble.
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« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2006, 12:29:32 PM »

10,000 women upwards of 40 keeping hitting max bet!

ROTFLMAO!!!!!

Dark squat bulky mustached NY easterm Euro ethnic baboushkas? LOL!!!!!

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« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2006, 12:32:32 PM »

Meadowlands Live Handle: $503,904 |   Total Handle: $2,551,063 |

On-site Handle: $1,634,547 |   Attendance: 5,859

About $86 per patron for their LIVE CARD.

Sounds like WORLD CHAMPIONSHIT numbers to me.


Look at it this way. Those same patrons wagered about $192.00 per patron on other tracks.

$1,634,547 - $503,904 = $1,130,643 / 5859 = $192.00

The numbers speak for themself.
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« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2006, 01:02:15 PM »

Look at it this way. Those same patrons wagered about $192.00 per patron on other tracks.

$1,634,547 - $503,904 = $1,130,643 / 5859 = $192.00

The numbers speak for themself.

Considering the vast number of people that really don't bet much at all -- yes, the numbers speak for themselves.  They are good.

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« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2006, 01:09:30 PM »

Considering the vast number of people that really don't bet much at all -- yes, the numbers speak for themselves.  They are good.

5800 people on-track betting a total $279 per person. Doesn't say much for DD's claim everyone went to Yonkers instead.
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« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2006, 01:22:50 PM »

And HOW DID YONKERS DO?
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« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2006, 01:24:41 PM »

And not to mention Yonkers Raceway site is a joke. No entries for today. No results for yesterday. It's a joke.
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« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2006, 01:29:50 PM »

And HOW DID YONKERS DO?

I asked him. He won't answer.  thumbs down

Later gator. Time to head to the local watering hole and get a good table for the big game!
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« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2006, 01:34:22 PM »

I asked him. He won't answer.  thumbs down

Later gator. Time to head to the local watering hole and get a good table for the big game!

Suprise, suprise. He can "back up" why the Big M "sucks", but can't back up why Yonkers is better.
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« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2006, 03:14:26 PM »

My problem with what DailyDaley said is this:

He gives us the Meadowlands figures for the attendance and handle and in all fairness to him, those are accurate per The Meadowlands web site. However, he doesnt have the Yonkers to compare them to so that discussion for now is meaningless.

Now one thing I believe we should expect despite their terrible publicity effort is for people to try Yonkers again, be it for the racing or slots. I believe we need to wait a while to see just where the racing dollar settles. Then we can compare.

The major flaw in DailyDaley's theory about just dividing handle by attendance and saying thats what people bet is this ... yes, The Meadowlands had 5859 for racing but how many people more then that passed through Yonkers Raceway yesterday and NEVER placed a single bet on ANY race.

Even if Yonkers Raceway and The Meadowlands had the same exact handle penny for penny, if you have The Meadowlands getting 5000 but Yonkers getting 12000 inside their building, then Yonkers racing isnt as successful.
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« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2006, 03:38:24 PM »

DaleyDailey spews much misinformation and makes crazy proclamations. Sorry DD.

However in this case DD is barking up the right tree. Those M1 #s are horrible when you compare them to the corresponding opening Friday last fall (apples to apples). They're more than horrible. They're scary.
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« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2006, 04:19:43 PM »

However in this case DD is barking up the right tree. Those M1 #s are horrible when you compare them to the corresponding opening Friday last fall (apples to apples). They're more than horrible. They're scary.

it's not comparing apples to apples

last year, on opening night of the fall meet, they had several breeders crown eliminations, plus the charlie singer first round plus the oil burner first round.  this year, they only had the charlie singer first round, and then a bunch of overnight events.
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« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2006, 05:38:03 PM »

Meadowlands Live Handle: $503,904 |   Total Handle: $2,551,063 |

On-site Handle: $1,634,547 |   Attendance: 5,859

About $86 per patron for their LIVE CARD.



Here's the comparision to last night's figures (as listed above)

M1 on Friday Nov 18 2005 had a card with 9 trotting events
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That night the figures were:
Meadowlands Live Handle: $672,090 |   Total Handle: $3,479,026 | On-site Handle: $2,068,328 |   

Live handle down 34 percent
Total handle down 38 percent
On-site handle down 20 percent.

This meet could be a disaster. The thoroughbred meet they just had was abysmal and as you know they've announced layoffs at the Sports Authority.

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« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2006, 05:46:39 PM »

A year ago on the first Saturday of that meet (nov. 19, 2005)
here's what M1 did

Meadowlands Live Handle: $732,650 |   Total Handle: $3,618,512 | On-site Handle: $2,653,456 |   Attendance: 8,275

We'll see if they can come near those figures.

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« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2006, 05:48:08 PM »

it's not comparing apples to apples

last year, on opening night of the fall meet, they had several breeders crown eliminations, plus the charlie singer first round plus the oil burner first round.  this year, they only had the charlie singer first round, and then a bunch of overnight events.

You are absolutely right

2006 Opening Night at The Meadowlands had 13 races with 12 being stakes races and 6 of the 12 being Breeders Crown races. The only non-stakes race was a w/o25000lt Trot for $35000. You also had Vivid Photo on the card

Next week Yonkers Raceway will be the first track ever to run TWO Triple Crown races on the same card. Lets see their turn out and if they offer ANY publicity
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« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2006, 05:56:14 PM »


Here's the comparision to last night's figures (as listed above)

M1 on Friday Nov 18 2005 had a card with 9 trotting events
.

That night the figures were:
Meadowlands Live Handle: $672,090 |   Total Handle: $3,479,026 | On-site Handle: $2,068,328 |   

Live handle down 34 percent
Total handle down 38 percent
On-site handle down 20 percent.

This meet could be a disaster. The thoroughbred meet they just had was abysmal and as you know they've announced layoffs at the Sports Authority.



Im sorry here but you need to show just a little bit of intellectual honesty.

The 2005 Opening Night Card at The Meadowlands was:
- SIX Breeders Crown Races
- FOUR Charles Singer Elims
- TWO Oil Burner Elims
- One wo2500lt Trot

That card would draw more people then the average card
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« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2006, 04:13:47 AM »

A year ago on the first Saturday of that meet (nov. 19, 2005)
here's what M1 did

Meadowlands Live Handle: $732,650 |   Total Handle: $3,618,512 | On-site Handle: $2,653,456 |   Attendance: 8,275

We'll see if they can come near those figures.



OK results are in from Saturday night.
Live Handle: $542,022 |   Total Handle: $2,647,669 | On-site Handle: $2,073,928 |   Attendance: 6,831

looks like 30-plus percent drops across the boards
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« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2006, 04:16:39 AM »

Im sorry here but you need to show just a little bit of intellectual honesty.

The 2005 Opening Night Card at The Meadowlands was:
- SIX Breeders Crown Races
- FOUR Charles Singer Elims
- TWO Oil Burner Elims
- One wo2500lt Trot

That card would draw more people then the average card


The 2005 opener had 9 trots. That is not a more attractive card that this year's opener.
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« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2006, 10:41:51 AM »

Night 2 at Bowel Movement Downs

Meadowlands Live Handle: $542,022 |   Total Handle: $2,647,669 |

On-site Handle: $2,073,928 |   Attendance: 6,831

An average of almost $80 per patron on the "LIVE CLASSIC" card on a Saturday night. WOW Grin.

And then again those same patrons wagered about $225 per person on other races.

Yep - Those Yonkers Slots. No impact on Big M racing. I wonder what Chris and NJ had for breakfast this morning?

Maybe that John Campbell interview, yummie. John was right about this also. Something is "taking off at the head of the stretch".

It's called  dollar dollar dollar or my favorite

Pancakes with "KAOPECTATE" syrup. Ya that's it. Pucker up baby.

And I can't wait for the Ledford announcement now. That should really help the handle then.

Yep - The BIG M World Class Champoinshit Racing.
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« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2006, 10:56:06 AM »

it's not comparing apples to apples

last year, on opening night of the fall meet, they had several breeders crown eliminations, plus the charlie singer first round plus the oil burner first round.  this year, they only had the charlie singer first round, and then a bunch of overnight events.

Hey Greg:  Nice to see you are back. And we even agree this time .
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