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« on: December 12, 2005, 10:51:40 PM »

All the whacking off on overrated Morgan, no one mentions hometown boy Ledford winning the $250K+ race tonight at Dover on a 24/1 shot..

Pathetic..
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« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2005, 11:06:56 PM »

way to go eric, good job, EL is one of the best
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« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2005, 11:09:42 PM »

All the whacking off on overrated Morgan, no one mentions hometown boy Ledford winning the $250K+ race tonight at Dover on a 24/1 shot..

Pathetic..


he's a Ohio boy
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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2005, 11:24:17 PM »

he's a Ohio boy

So is Morgan.  Grin
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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2005, 11:36:46 PM »

many good horsemen came from ohio
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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2005, 11:38:25 PM »

even jr
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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2005, 11:39:28 PM »

ex rucker horse?HuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuh
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keep the fight up ken it ant over i hope u useing the rope a dope im getting worried!!!
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« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2005, 11:41:22 PM »

ex rucker horse?HuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuh

what do you mean?
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« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2005, 11:46:08 PM »

              at least eric is driving at the big m and not trying steal at dover with lesser competition . right now eric is driving better than ever before . dont like the cocky kid personally , but you have to give him credit . now the other coward dog thats a different story . he's like a gunslinger going to town like happy valley hills to act like a big shot population 100 . instead of going to a town like tombstone where your going play with the big guys and see how fast you really are . no the coward dog will take any old bone he can ! the great tony !             RTP
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« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2005, 12:26:16 AM »

Ledford has not been very good this year.. He ended the Summer meet something like 3 for 84.. Not good.

I don;t blame Morgan for going where the money is.. sound economic decision..

              at least eric is driving at the big m and not trying steal at dover with lesser competition . right now eric is driving better than ever before . dont like the cocky kid personally , but you have to give him credit . now the other coward dog thats a different story . he's like a gunslinger going to town like happy valley hills to act like a big shot population 100 . instead of going to a town like tombstone where your going play with the big guys and see how fast you really are . no the coward dog will take any old bone he can ! the great tony !             RTP
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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2005, 12:32:00 AM »

Eric has settled down and doesn't have to have the front end all the time.  He is in a grove and you better not overlook him.
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« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2005, 12:41:19 AM »

What indicates he is in the groove?


Eric has settled down and doesn't have to have the front end all the time.  He is in a grove and you better not overlook him.
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« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2005, 12:42:01 AM »

Ledford has not been very good this year.. He ended the Summer meet something like 3 for 84.. Not good.

I don;t blame Morgan for going where the money is.. sound economic decision..

        seems like eric is driving pretty good now ! the preent is what counts forget about the past ! you call it a sound economic decision and I call him a coward dog ! but thats horse racing .    RTP
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« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2005, 12:44:06 AM »

RTP, who is smarter right now, Patrick Berry or Anthony Morgan?


         seems like eric is driving pretty good now ! the preent is what counts forget about the past ! you call it a sound economic decision and I call him a coward dog ! but thats horse racing .    RTP
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« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2005, 12:58:40 AM »

What kills me is all the folks who think that racing can continue around here 7 days a week.  Say hello to the beginning of the end.  TC
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« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2005, 01:05:08 AM »

Baron

Bite me from the other thread.  Ledford is giving his charges good trips,  In the pocket and 2nd and 3rd over in races with hot paces.  That's being in a groove.  In the right place at the right time.
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« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2005, 07:59:37 AM »

I love when someone says he is driving good now. I guess he was great for a stretch, lost it and has now got it back all of a sudden. If you do not have the horsepower, then that dictates whether you are drving good or not. Maybe, just maybe Ledford's stock got tired towards the end.
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« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2005, 08:54:36 AM »

Ledford has not been very good this year.. He ended the Summer meet something like 3 for 84.. Not good.

I don;t blame Morgan for going where the money is.. sound economic decision..


Ledford has had a good year!!!!!
He was at 15 % at the BigM till the tail end without driving the best horses like Pierce, Miller and Sears get.
Ledford is one of the top ten in North America.
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« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2005, 10:17:36 AM »

Ledford is famous for rating halves in the 51 to 53 range.  I forget the horses name, I believe it was Town Champion on Hambo day where Ledford parked Macdonnel with the gray horse  2nd or 3rd favorite to the half in about 51 and change, thens walks home to finish like 3rd when he had the best horse in the race.  Drives like that are what I hate about him.  Still a good driver.  Don't like him though.  Too cocky.
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« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2005, 10:50:39 AM »

Ledford is famous for rating halves in the 51 to 53 range.  I forget the horses name, I believe it was Town Champion on Hambo day where Ledford parked Macdonnel with the gray horse  2nd or 3rd favorite to the half in about 51 and change, thens walks home to finish like 3rd when he had the best horse in the race.  Drives like that are what I hate about him.  Still a good driver.  Don't like him though.  Too cocky.

Most guys have an opinion of a driver based on how they drive when they bet them.
That is a miniscule percentage of a drivers total drives.
I guess a handicapper has a right to that opinion but if they are objective, they also need to know how the driver performs all the time.
All the top drivers lose on 1-5 horses on occassion.
All of them bring in longshots on occassion.
That's just the game.
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« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2005, 12:11:57 PM »

Honestly, anyone that states that they do not like Ledford as a driver, makes it personal.
He is definitely an outstanding driver and in the top tier.
Burton is right on, every driver loses at 1-5 on occassion. Honestly, if you are betting 1-5 shots, I hope you have thousands on it. The guy is great whether you like him or not. I do not like betting David Miller because I have terrible luck with him as a gambler, but I know the guy is a damn good driver.

MG
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« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2005, 12:31:03 PM »

I totally agree, you can't base your opinion of a driver on one race, and the only reason I said it was a horse he should of won on was because that is why it made no sense to go to the half that fast and not let the other favorite clear and get the two hole trip.  I have seen Ledford make over aggressive moves like that more than once.  Im not saying he isn't a good driver, because he is.  He has won a number of big races. 
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« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2005, 12:49:08 PM »

Ledford is famous for rating halves in the 51 to 53 range.  I forget the horses name, I believe it was Town Champion on Hambo day where Ledford parked Macdonnel with the gray horse  2nd or 3rd favorite to the half in about 51 and change, thens walks home to finish like 3rd when he had the best horse in the race.  Drives like that are what I hate about him.  Still a good driver.  Don't like him though.  Too cocky.
ADMIRAL'S EXPRESS, the gray Canadian ghost.  TC
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« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2005, 01:12:31 PM »

this is not about if we like eric we all know hes a cocky little shit a dont care for him BUT he can drive a horse even dan tell us that he can drive
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« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2005, 01:17:06 PM »

You get the best horses when you are one of the best drivers. Plain and simple. That is why Miller Pierce and Sears have first choice.


Ledford has had a good year!!!!!
He was at 15 % at the BigM till the tail end without driving the best horses like Pierce, Miller and Sears get.
Ledford is one of the top ten in North America.
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« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2005, 01:23:37 PM »

I actually love when Ledford is on a chalky horse, that is when you hit the windows double fisted with value elsewhere. I've seen him drive enough chalk into the ground in 1:22 3/4 time, the red light goes off when you see him as chalk..



I totally agree, you can't base your opinion of a driver on one race, and the only reason I said it was a horse he should of won on was because that is why it made no sense to go to the half that fast and not let the other favorite clear and get the two hole trip.  I have seen Ledford make over aggressive moves like that more than once.  Im not saying he isn't a good driver, because he is.  He has won a number of big races. 
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« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2005, 02:08:42 PM »

You get the best horses when you are one of the best drivers. Plain and simple. That is why Miller Pierce and Sears have first choice.



You missed my point.
Without driving the same kind of stock Sears, Miller and Pierce did, he still had a comparable win percentage.
That's pretty damn good.
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« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2005, 02:27:47 PM »

So he didn't have as good of stock as them?

I recall his father winning at 25% for the entire year at BigM. Figure his #'s without those horses. Let me know where he's at.


You missed my point.
Without driving the same kind of stock Sears, Miller and Pierce did, he still had a comparable win percentage.
That's pretty damn good.
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« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2005, 02:53:16 PM »

So he didn't have as good of stock as them?

I recall his father winning at 25% for the entire year at BigM. Figure his #'s without those horses. Let me know where he's at.



There was an article on how good Ledford was doing with lesser stock than the top boys last summer by Pandolfo on the USTA site that really showed just how good a meet he was having.
His fathere's horses notwithstanding.
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« Reply #29 on: December 13, 2005, 03:14:10 PM »

I remember that article and it was right on. Check that one out. Great Point!

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« Reply #30 on: December 13, 2005, 03:46:08 PM »

If he was doing that well, wouldn't he be getting the better stock?


There was an article on how good Ledford was doing with lesser stock than the top boys last summer by Pandolfo on the USTA site that really showed just how good a meet he was having.
His fathere's horses notwithstanding.
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« Reply #31 on: December 14, 2005, 01:53:22 AM »

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Better stock= better driver?Huh  Simple thoughts for simple minds!!!  Miller, Pierce, Campbell get more out of a cheap horse than all the other drivers,  thats what has made them great.  Now add Sears and soon to add Ledford.  Eric use to drive a 15k the way he drove an open pacer.  He doesn't do that any more.  He tries to get the most out of his horse's trip whether thats on the front end or 2nd over.  That is the recipe for success and he is a better driver for it.
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« Reply #32 on: December 14, 2005, 09:09:09 AM »

I have already stated that in the past. I agree with you. There are times at smaller racetracks where sub par drivers have the best stock, but not are looked upon as the best driver.
Not always, does the best stock make the best driver.
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« Reply #33 on: December 14, 2005, 09:23:37 AM »

Better horse usually does mean better driver. You proved a point to yourself that you were arguing. Ledford is getting no better, just compare his stats from last year to this year.. Show me the big improvement.


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Better stock= better driver?Huh  Simple thoughts for simple minds!!!  Miller, Pierce, Campbell get more out of a cheap horse than all the other drivers,  thats what has made them great.  Now add Sears and soon to add Ledford.  Eric use to drive a 15k the way he drove an open pacer.  He doesn't do that any more.  He tries to get the most out of his horse's trip whether thats on the front end or 2nd over.  That is the recipe for success and he is a better driver for it.
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« Reply #34 on: December 14, 2005, 12:42:55 PM »

Baron

For the record I confused you with Burton in other posts and I just realized it as I started this post with Burton at the top!  Sorry!  That explains why some of my comments directed at you were out of place.  I'll try to keep it straight.

The reason Eric is better is not in his 2005 percentages.  Since the Meadowlands reopened he has shown more patience and better strategy.  He doesn't have the lead at the half on every non-Ledford trained horse he drives.  Conservation of energy will improve his stats.  Mark where he is at by the end of February and include him in your gimmicks.
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« Reply #35 on: December 14, 2005, 12:53:43 PM »

Sorry, I see the same old Ledford. Burying the horse by the 3/4 pole, have seen it many times this Fall meet. He is a great driver to play against when he has speed or chalk.


Baron

For the record I confused you with Burton in other posts and I just realized it as I started this post with Burton at the top!  Sorry!  That explains why some of my comments directed at you were out of place.  I'll try to keep it straight.

The reason Eric is better is not in his 2005 percentages.  Since the Meadowlands reopened he has shown more patience and better strategy.  He doesn't have the lead at the half on every non-Ledford trained horse he drives.  Conservation of energy will improve his stats.  Mark where he is at by the end of February and include him in your gimmicks.
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