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Author Topic: Can the Tracks Scramble the Signal and Mutual Wagering???  (Read 1109 times)
Kenneth J. Chadwick
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« on: December 10, 2005, 11:06:20 AM »

Dear Group:

I observed that a number of us bet from home, which includes myself.

I have an account with Phone Bet, which I believe is legitmate.  This is operated by Philadelphia Park.

It's my belief that PhoneBet runs the betting through the tracks.

Concerning the illegitimate "Shops", can the tracks scramble the signal to stop the pirating of the signal?Huh?

I need some computer savvy person here. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Kenneth J. Chadwick Grin Grin Grin


How's Balmoral looking tonight?Huh
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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2005, 01:37:50 PM »

"Concerning the illegitimate "Shops", can the tracks scramble the signal to stop the pirating of the signal?"

Kenneth,
              The signals are likely already srambled/crypted.
Hardly anything is broadcast on satellite dishes these days in either C or KU band that is not crypted.
 Windsor Raceway was the longest hold out for encryption and recently scrambled their free C-band broadcasts.

 With the encryption techniques and devices in mind?
All it takes is for somebody who has a legitimate account and password to provide the same to the pirates.

Some 25-years ago, most everything on C-band satellite dishes was broadcast in CLEAR.
HBO, ESPN and all the others.
Then the encryptions began.
In the beginning of encryptions the a new appoxiamtely 20-digit code was generated on the first of the month and used for the entire month.
 The hackers/pirates would purcahse full accounts and then sell of subscriptions to their passwords. Eventually many were caught and prosecuted by the FCC.
 Today the encryptions are changes many times in a single day.

 The big thing today is hacked-microchips for these 18-24 inch KU band dished (Dish and Direct).

Most of the satellite hackers (like off-shore books) are located in the Carribean where those goverments have different rules than the FCC.

 If you want to read about the Satellite dishes and C-Band?
Here's some non-technical stuff from a company that sells something similar to TV-Guides;
http://www.orbitmagazine.com/orbfaqs.htm

This page offers a listing of the current SAT's
http://home.austin.rr.com/drlev/schart.htm

This page offers many links that should keep your busy for eternity:
http://home.austin.rr.com/drlev/info.htm
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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2005, 01:43:29 PM »

Dear Wilderness:

Thanks for the post.

You must be related to Bill Gates.

How about buying a couple of track here in the Chicago area.

Thanks for the insight. Grin Grin Grin

Kenneth J. Chadwick
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« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2005, 01:44:49 PM »

Dear Group:

I observed that a number of us bet from home, which includes myself.

I have an account with Phone Bet, which I believe is legitmate.  This is operated by Philadelphia Park.

It's my belief that PhoneBet runs the betting through the tracks.

Concerning the illegitimate "Shops", can the tracks scramble the signal to stop the pirating of the signal?Huh?

I need some computer savvy person here. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Kenneth J. Chadwick Grin Grin Grin


How's Balmoral looking tonight?Huh

It really depends how you define "signal."  In simulcast lingo, the "signal" is the whole product.  However, it could also mean just the video.  What are we talking about here?

In reality, there's no reason to pirate the actual video.  It's all freely available online, or for only $99 a month through RTN.  There's just no reason to invest the time messing with it.

As far as your internet/phone bets, they are pretty much made in a conventional fashion -- right through the tote machine.  In fact, if you call on the phone, most places actually print tickets.  On the internet, the information will be encrypted in a conventional manner (httpS), and then downloaded into the tote.

I would say you are very safe.

Best,
EW
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« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2005, 02:18:53 PM »

i believe all offshore places book the bets on horses... xpressbet, phonebet,casninos in vegas, etc all go right into the mutual pool at the track.. offshore places dont show the video anyway so what good would scrambling the feed do.. they just book your bets anyone can do that..
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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2005, 02:42:25 PM »

" It's all freely available online, or for only $99 a month through RTN"

Edward,
            The quality difference between what is broadcast on TRN (or any of the small KU dishes) and the Big Dishes are day and night.

 With a big dish you could project the video onto a movie srceen and there would be very little distortion or degradation. It all has to do with the square inches or feet of the dish size (as well as the equipment you are using).
 
 A 18" inch Direct Dish = 18 X 18 = 324 sq. inches.

A 10-foot dish? 120 X 120 = 14,400 sq. inches of feed coming into your reciever

Rarely do these big dishes loose their feed in inclement weather. It may distort, but never lost.
 
 That's simply not so with most of the track broadcast signals.
Any one of us who experienced the early days of simulcasting can provide how crappy some of those pictures were.
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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2005, 03:06:15 PM »

"A 10-foot dish? 120 X 120 = 53,280 sq. inches of feed coming into your reciever"

CORRECTION.
Should read   14,400
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