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« on: October 22, 2006, 05:19:14 PM »

Do I smell a early pic 4 scam in yesterday's 5th race.
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« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2006, 07:10:22 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2006, 08:07:08 PM »

Don't know what kind of scam it was, but if you check the replay, he definitely strangled the 4 horse (Gryczewski) for nearly a sixteenth of a mile in upper stretch allowing the 9 (Londono) and the 2 (Kirby) to pass his mount. I don't think we've heard the last of this.

By the way, we've all questioned the stewards at one time or another, but kudos to them for spotting this and for acting quickly.
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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2006, 08:54:33 PM »

I agree!  Glad to see your description of strangling.  He definitely seems to me that, after he'd taken the lead, he wasn't asking him to run until after he'd been passed by 3 horses, waiting from the end of the turn until after the furlong pole before making any significant urging effort and then beginning to make some use of his whip, while perhaps still having a strong and maybe back hold with the left hand.  Wish I'd seen the head on - would like to know more about the left hand action, and what, if anything, his right handed whip was actually doing.  He only needed less than 1 length to have gotten second, and could have contended for the win.  Barely came back on the 4th horse.  2nd to 4th was a rather small margin.  Should have been at least second with any serious effort, if not being a contender for the win. 

By the way, I had a win ticket on the winner, and a winning trifecta key, that also would have won the super.  So it didn't cost me cashing a ticket.  Was the payoff lower than it one would expect?  $86 for $2 Tri, but the horses had taken plenty of win action.
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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2006, 10:01:35 PM »

Cicero shuffle? Oops across the street. Impossible?
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« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2006, 02:48:57 PM »

Here's what I need to know? Trackman. Was Burke's Legend frontwrapped his previous race? Was he dropping? To complete my investigation on this matter,I need those questions answered. I do not have Racing Form from that particular day as I was involved in ancient truck repair and not available to attend Trackside and view this monstosity first hand. Although I did view the replay. My opinion so far is,Jose's goggles were lopsided and he was not sporting a tongue tie.
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« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2006, 03:18:05 PM »

"Here's what I need to know? Trackman. Was Burke's Legend frontwrapped his previous race? Was he dropping? To complete my investigation on this matter,I need those questions answered. I do not have Racing Form from that particular day as I was involved in ancient truck repair and not available to attend Trackside and view this monstosity first hand. Although I did view the replay. My opinion so far is,Jose's goggles were lopsided and he was not sporting a tongue tie."

John,

question 1: don't know

question 2: don't know

I will check our file forms Wednesday and give you the answers that night.

Incidently, my ancient truck (1995 Dodge Dakota with almost 150,000 miles) was also being repaired at that time.

As far as Jose's goggles, I will look at the film again. Don't understand what the tongue tie has to do with it. Please explain.
 
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« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2006, 03:36:43 PM »

Trackman: Thanks. My first 2 questions were legit. The other 2 were sarcastic. Not at you,at Jose. He probably was not even wearing goggles as why does he need them. He always front runs. The second was reference to him,not the horse. One more thing. Over the last couple of years I have noted the trainers running style. Mr. Gryzewski also front runs his stock,especially on a off track and wins at big prices.
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« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2006, 03:50:02 PM »

"Mr. Gryzewski also front runs his stock,especially on a off track and wins at big prices."

Shhhhh! Pretty soon everyone will know and our prices will turn to s--t.

I'll get back to you on the forum Weds at about 7:30 PM.
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« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2006, 03:51:41 PM »

"Mr. Gryzewski also front runs his stock,especially on a off track and wins at big prices."

Shhhhh! Pretty soon everyone will know and our prices will turn to s--t.

I'll get back to you on the forum Weds at about 7:30 PM.
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« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2006, 04:05:35 PM »

Trackman: It do not matter. No one pays attention. Over the years I have touted front wraps off. Especially on a off track. It's the best play out there. When off you improve by last race a minimum 5 ticks. But over the years experienced players except for few just plod along with their own thinking. What's amazing is they have no idea in Racing form on how to distinguish.
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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2006, 04:09:58 PM »

The horse just won Clm 4,000n1y, so this would actually be a rise as this was open 4,000 - doesn't list him as having fronts in the last 8 races - last time listed was in Nebraska a year ago.
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« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2006, 04:19:52 PM »

David: Was that previous race at Hawthorne or elsewhere. If elsewhere,where was that. Knowing the trainer it had to have been Hawthorne.
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« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2006, 04:26:44 PM »

His last races

Oct 6 haw clm 4,000n1y, won at 5.20-1 odds, comment, off rail, all out
sep 22 haw clm 4,000n1y, 5th at 8.70-1 odds, comment vied, off rail, tired
sep 2, ap clm 4,000n1y, 5th at 2.90 -1 odds, comment off rail, gave way
july 30, ap clm 4,000, 8th at 5.90-1 odds, comment between weekened, claimed in this race
july 23, ap, alw5000s, 6th at 13-1 odds, comment off rail, gave way

then back to last fall in Arizona
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« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2006, 04:40:58 PM »

And since John Frank is tipping. You must watch post parade for front wraps. Also since your all NOVICES. I've said this before: (1) Always pay attention to first time starters in Maiden races. Look at their workouts. Especially second before their last. Then see if they come out with blinks on (as this on their first start does not have to be declared). Also watch to see if they come out front wrapped. If blinks on and not front wrapped,you can rest assured connections are trying. On the scenario,that a horse comes out front wrapped,you can be guarrenteed that this is a stiff. Watch when they come out second start and fronts are off. They now are going for it with price. And always look for a Joey Brossurd horse that ain't front wrapped. You got yourself a SURE WINNER.
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« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2006, 04:43:31 PM »

David: One more thing. Your a encylopedia. Who had the mounts on those races you just gave me.
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« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2006, 04:51:15 PM »

Ferrer, Martin, Lopez, Mojica, Mojica
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« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2006, 04:52:31 PM »

David: I'm pickin your knowledge now. I need to know distances since the claim. Need to know if horse ever won at that distance. Sorry for all this. If I had form all these questions would be answered.
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« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2006, 04:54:33 PM »

Was that Uriel or the apprentice?
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« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2006, 04:55:48 PM »

6, 6.5, 6, 6, 5

check your email I sent you the pp's
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« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2006, 05:00:17 PM »

Don't know how to retreive it. Clicked on your message and got zilch.
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« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2006, 05:01:03 PM »

Alright, I'm leaving for dinner soon, so get your questions in now.

It was Uriel Lopez
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« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2006, 05:02:49 PM »

I think you answered them all. Thank's. I appreciate it.
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« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2006, 05:24:08 PM »

Actually there's 4 more. I think I will find Form. I need to know track conditions,post postion,weights,and if anyone in the 2 races after claim came back and won. That's why I'm John Frank. I have a need to know everything. Thank's David. Someday I will Qualify for NTRA finals. And when I do I will win out there.
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« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2006, 05:28:04 PM »



Look at it quick, I'm sure the form wouldn't like it posted.

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« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2006, 06:38:05 PM »

After reviewing all the statistical information that I receivd:,MY JUDGEMENT ON THIS MATTER, WILL BE FINAL. I  WILL POST TOMORROW. But I can tell you all know: I DO NOT LIKE WHAT I HAVE CALCULATED SO FAR. This will not be like The Salem Witch,or Nuremburg Trials or even that low life REAGAN selling out Jimmy Carter. This will be based on real cheats,screwing the AMERICAN PUBLIC. The Supreme Court Rules Tommorrow.
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« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2006, 07:10:42 PM »

"This will not be like The Salem Witch,or Nuremburg Trials or even that low life REAGAN selling out Jimmy Carter."

John,

I know a little bit about history.

Did you know how they tested for witches? they threw 'em in a pool of water and if they floated they got burned at the stake as witches. If they drowned they were innocent. Hmmm.

What was wrong with the Nazi trials?

And.....last of all, how in the hell did Reagan sell out Carter? And what allegiance do you have with Carter? He wanted to let the entire country of Mexico into Carpenterville.
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« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2006, 08:56:39 AM »

Do they test the losers in the race? Maybe he didn't want to win to avoid a positive test for something.
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« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2006, 09:15:24 AM »

Moon

"Do they test the losers in the race? Maybe he didn't want to win to avoid a positive test for something."

Asked the stews that question. I think (but I will doublecheck) they told me that any horse that earns money (first five finishers), the favorite if he/she doesn't get a check, and some other random horses get tested. That obviously means that most horses in every race get tested.
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« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2006, 01:24:21 PM »

Do they test the losers in the race? Maybe he didn't want to win to avoid a positive test for something.

Look at the owner's name, looks like some funny business if you know what I mean.
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« Reply #30 on: October 25, 2006, 03:57:08 PM »

"This will not be like The Salem Witch,or Nuremburg Trials or even that low life REAGAN selling out Jimmy Carter."

John,

I know a little bit about history.

Did you know how they tested for witches? they threw 'em in a pool of water and if they floated they got burned at the stake as witches. If they drowned they were innocent. Hmmm.

What was wrong with the Nazi trials?

And.....last of all, how in the hell did Reagan sell out Carter? And what allegiance do you have with Carter? He wanted to let the entire country of Mexico into Carpenterville.

Whoa, I've got to jump in here.

The Nuremburg trials were seriously flawed, our side headed-up by the infamous American John J. McCloy, cohort of Alan Dulles of the OSS or then maybe CIA. JJ McCloy also later sat on the Warren Commission, the commission that suppressed evidence. Incidently, Arlen Spectre, current head of the Judiciary Comm. was the lead prosecutor for the commission and was later rewarded for his assistence with a Senate seat. He invented the "magic bullet" theory".

Nuremburg trials - example in poiint, the trial of Alfried Krupp, the infamous industrialist and owner of slave labor in his nazi concentration forced labor camps. Krupp was found guilty of war crimes but was allowed, by the influence of Churchill and McCloy to keep his factories after his release from prison. There was a big call to seize the Krupp fortune, they having benefitted from crime. It is a tenet of Anglo-SAaxon jurisprudence that you cannot benefit from a crime or crimes. McCloy, in defending Krupp, said in so many words, "it is repugnant to Americans to oversee the seizure of private property." Now look how things have become that if you even have 3 parking tickets, you can have your car seized. Again if you are caught with a large amount of money ion your car, local authorities can seize the cash and put the cash ON TRIAL, whereby you have to explain how you have yourt money. REfer to a case recently upheld in the 3rd District whereby appeals court affirmed a decision where  over $100,000 was seized from a man, with no criminal record, on his way to buy a refridgerated truck. The money belonged to him and some friends who were to go into the produce business as so stated in the record. There was nothing wrong with the money, yet this "private prtoperty" was seized and distributed among local authority. This happens all the time, cept this case unusual and will be appealled to Supreme Court where incidentally I believe it will be upheld.

Anyway, many nazi's were secretly allowed into the Adenaur administration, records just declassifgied this year even confirm the corruption. I also refer you "Operation Paperclip" which you can read about on the web. Many Nazi's found their way into the Pentagon and state dept. post-war and provided false intelligence to Congress regarding Soviet military budgets andf intentions and initiated a cold war. At whose request? The people who put them in and fotted the bill.

Jimmy carter's administration oversaw ther largest military spending budget to date in history and was instrumental in developing the cruise missle, the missle Clinton used to go after OBL and the one Reagan used to kill Qaddaffy's family. The cruise missle revolutionized warfare and could have been banned through international treaty, negotiations conducted at the time of it's development, but carter opposed the ban. Today, cruise missles threaten the security of people including ourselves, world-wide.

Reagan's administration granted amnesty to millions of illegal aliens, from latin American and eastern Europe, not carter's.

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« Reply #31 on: October 25, 2006, 06:04:16 PM »

Whoa, the Cruise Missle is the big threat?? You had better tell Bush; he's trying to scare us all into believing that invisible WMD is the big threat.
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« Reply #32 on: October 27, 2006, 12:09:29 PM »

After reviewing all the statistical information that I receivd:,MY JUDGEMENT ON THIS MATTER, WILL BE FINAL. I WILL POST TOMORROW. But I can tell you all know: I DO NOT LIKE WHAT I HAVE CALCULATED SO FAR. This will not be like The Salem Witch,or Nuremburg Trials or even that low life REAGAN selling out Jimmy Carter. This will be based on real cheats,screwing the AMERICAN PUBLIC. The Supreme Court Rules Tommorrow.

Hey John, we're all still waiting to hear your judgement on this matter. Have you been silenced?

Ed
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« Reply #33 on: October 27, 2006, 12:27:10 PM »

Mr Frank is unavailable @ this time. His namesake is running Sat @ the Thorne in race 8...." He's Hammered"

good luck John
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« Reply #34 on: October 27, 2006, 04:53:00 PM »

I'm putting togeather my ruling and verdict. Should be done in 14,000 ticks. That should give you time frealks something to calculate in the meantime.
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« Reply #35 on: October 27, 2006, 05:50:00 PM »

Here it is in Frank-ish. (1) Did the Dailey Herald call Jose or did Jose call them. He says the pony do not like close quarters. How the hell does he know this on his second ride. Did the trainer tell him such. How the hell does he know 4th off claim. Did the previous trainer tell him. Yet the pony in his previous races always goes to rail and then makes move outside. Why would he do that if there is no traffic. He's in traffic ALL THE TIME. And why when you have clear trip in front of you,would you want to swing out,when your pony is full of run. Jose's explaination does not wash. (2) I'll take 2 former jock stewards judgement. As 1 stated,we saw it right away. Which leads me to believe they were tipped off that this might occur. (3) Check this ponies speed bias. He was rounding into form. Just look at his last 3 races last year when he won. Same cycle. And this pony wins his last race drawing off in 1:12. The stewards were right. GUILTY! And this shit is why regulars have said: TAKE THIS CROOKED GAME AND SHOVE IT.
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« Reply #36 on: October 28, 2006, 12:09:59 AM »

I fully agree with you John.....smells bad.very lousy ride down the stretch Angry
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