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John Frank
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« on: October 22, 2006, 05:19:14 PM »

Do I smell a early pic 4 scam in yesterday's 5th race.
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« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2006, 07:10:22 PM »

ferrer suspended 30 days..
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« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2006, 08:07:08 PM »

Don't know what kind of scam it was, but if you check the replay, he definitely strangled the 4 horse (Gryczewski) for nearly a sixteenth of a mile in upper stretch allowing the 9 (Londono) and the 2 (Kirby) to pass his mount. I don't think we've heard the last of this.

By the way, we've all questioned the stewards at one time or another, but kudos to them for spotting this and for acting quickly.
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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2006, 08:54:33 PM »

I agree!  Glad to see your description of strangling.  He definitely seems to me that, after he'd taken the lead, he wasn't asking him to run until after he'd been passed by 3 horses, waiting from the end of the turn until after the furlong pole before making any significant urging effort and then beginning to make some use of his whip, while perhaps still having a strong and maybe back hold with the left hand.  Wish I'd seen the head on - would like to know more about the left hand action, and what, if anything, his right handed whip was actually doing.  He only needed less than 1 length to have gotten second, and could have contended for the win.  Barely came back on the 4th horse.  2nd to 4th was a rather small margin.  Should have been at least second with any serious effort, if not being a contender for the win. 

By the way, I had a win ticket on the winner, and a winning trifecta key, that also would have won the super.  So it didn't cost me cashing a ticket.  Was the payoff lower than it one would expect?  $86 for $2 Tri, but the horses had taken plenty of win action.
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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2006, 10:01:35 PM »

Cicero shuffle? Oops across the street. Impossible?
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« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2006, 02:48:57 PM »

Here's what I need to know? Trackman. Was Burke's Legend frontwrapped his previous race? Was he dropping? To complete my investigation on this matter,I need those questions answered. I do not have Racing Form from that particular day as I was involved in ancient truck repair and not available to attend Trackside and view this monstosity first hand. Although I did view the replay. My opinion so far is,Jose's goggles were lopsided and he was not sporting a tongue tie.
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« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2006, 03:18:05 PM »

"Here's what I need to know? Trackman. Was Burke's Legend frontwrapped his previous race? Was he dropping? To complete my investigation on this matter,I need those questions answered. I do not have Racing Form from that particular day as I was involved in ancient truck repair and not available to attend Trackside and view this monstosity first hand. Although I did view the replay. My opinion so far is,Jose's goggles were lopsided and he was not sporting a tongue tie."

John,

question 1: don't know

question 2: don't know

I will check our file forms Wednesday and give you the answers that night.

Incidently, my ancient truck (1995 Dodge Dakota with almost 150,000 miles) was also being repaired at that time.

As far as Jose's goggles, I will look at the film again. Don't understand what the tongue tie has to do with it. Please explain.
 
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« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2006, 03:36:43 PM »

Trackman: Thanks. My first 2 questions were legit. The other 2 were sarcastic. Not at you,at Jose. He probably was not even wearing goggles as why does he need them. He always front runs. The second was reference to him,not the horse. One more thing. Over the last couple of years I have noted the trainers running style. Mr. Gryzewski also front runs his stock,especially on a off track and wins at big prices.
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« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2006, 03:50:02 PM »

"Mr. Gryzewski also front runs his stock,especially on a off track and wins at big prices."

Shhhhh! Pretty soon everyone will know and our prices will turn to s--t.

I'll get back to you on the forum Weds at about 7:30 PM.
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« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2006, 03:51:41 PM »

"Mr. Gryzewski also front runs his stock,especially on a off track and wins at big prices."

Shhhhh! Pretty soon everyone will know and our prices will turn to s--t.

I'll get back to you on the forum Weds at about 7:30 PM.
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« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2006, 04:05:35 PM »

Trackman: It do not matter. No one pays attention. Over the years I have touted front wraps off. Especially on a off track. It's the best play out there. When off you improve by last race a minimum 5 ticks. But over the years experienced players except for few just plod along with their own thinking. What's amazing is they have no idea in Racing form on how to distinguish.
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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2006, 04:09:58 PM »

The horse just won Clm 4,000n1y, so this would actually be a rise as this was open 4,000 - doesn't list him as having fronts in the last 8 races - last time listed was in Nebraska a year ago.
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« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2006, 04:19:52 PM »

David: Was that previous race at Hawthorne or elsewhere. If elsewhere,where was that. Knowing the trainer it had to have been Hawthorne.
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« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2006, 04:26:44 PM »

His last races

Oct 6 haw clm 4,000n1y, won at 5.20-1 odds, comment, off rail, all out
sep 22 haw clm 4,000n1y, 5th at 8.70-1 odds, comment vied, off rail, tired
sep 2, ap clm 4,000n1y, 5th at 2.90 -1 odds, comment off rail, gave way
july 30, ap clm 4,000, 8th at 5.90-1 odds, comment between weekened, claimed in this race
july 23, ap, alw5000s, 6th at 13-1 odds, comment off rail, gave way

then back to last fall in Arizona
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« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2006, 04:40:58 PM »

And since John Frank is tipping. You must watch post parade for front wraps. Also since your all NOVICES. I've said this before: (1) Always pay attention to first time starters in Maiden races. Look at their workouts. Especially second before their last. Then see if they come out with blinks on (as this on their first start does not have to be declared). Also watch to see if they come out front wrapped. If blinks on and not front wrapped,you can rest assured connections are trying. On the scenario,that a horse comes out front wrapped,you can be guarrenteed that this is a stiff. Watch when they come out second start and fronts are off. They now are going for it with price. And always look for a Joey Brossurd horse that ain't front wrapped. You got yourself a SURE WINNER.
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« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2006, 04:43:31 PM »

David: One more thing. Your a encylopedia. Who had the mounts on those races you just gave me.
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« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2006, 04:51:15 PM »

Ferrer, Martin, Lopez, Mojica, Mojica
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« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2006, 04:52:31 PM »

David: I'm pickin your knowledge now. I need to know distances since the claim. Need to know if horse ever won at that distance. Sorry for all this. If I had form all these questions would be answered.
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« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2006, 04:54:33 PM »

Was that Uriel or the apprentice?
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« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2006, 04:55:48 PM »

6, 6.5, 6, 6, 5

check your email I sent you the pp's
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« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2006, 05:00:17 PM »

Don't know how to retreive it. Clicked on your message and got zilch.
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« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2006, 05:01:03 PM »

Alright, I'm leaving for dinner soon, so get your questions in now.

It was Uriel Lopez
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« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2006, 05:02:49 PM »

I think you answered them all. Thank's. I appreciate it.
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« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2006, 05:24:08 PM »

Actually there's 4 more. I think I will find Form. I need to know track conditions,post postion,weights,and if anyone in the 2 races after claim came back and won. That's why I'm John Frank. I have a need to know everything. Thank's David. Someday I will Qualify for NTRA finals. And when I do I will win out there.
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« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2006, 05:28:04 PM »



Look at it quick, I'm sure the form wouldn't like it posted.

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